Monday, September 15, 2008

Apostasy

13 comments:

Joe of St. Thérèse said...

awesome

Hugo Mendez said...

*wild applause*

LarryD said...

Good call! Linking to this.

Kit said...

Excellent!!! To the sidebar it goes!

Dim Bulb said...

I have a bumper sticker idea of my own: Catholics Against The Obamacide Of Infants.

Tara said...

dim bulb: Very good idea.

Lisa, sfo said...

Love it! Sharing it with friends ...

rick allen said...

I am a Catholic convert now of some 25 years, a political moderate, and I fear you'll be pleased to hear that I am horrified by this blog.

I have no problem with your personal preference for Sen. McCain in the upcoming presidential election, though I'm a little suprised such overt partisanship is directely linked to your parish website.

Though I am a Democrat, in a few presidential elections I in fact voted for Republicans because of their professed pro-life stance. It eventually occured to me, though, after 8 years of a Republican in the White House, during part of which the Republicans controlled both houses of Congress, and with a long-time Republican majority on the Supreme Court, that perhaps I have been had. I fear that the Republicans love to talk about the evil of abortion during their campaigns, but never seem to do anything about it when in office.

Even with a Catholic majority on the Supreme Court, their most notable act has been to uphold a death sentence while the Holy Father himself was making a pastoral visit to our country.

Does it not occur to you that an American Catholic might share the views of Pope John Paul II and Benedict XVI about the justness of the current war in Iraq? Or that our obligation to promote life might extend to tens of thousands of innocents who have died needlessly because of those adventures?

I don't ask you to agree with me. I only ask whether you think that another Catholic can in good faith see things a little differently from you. Does the abortion issue really trump everything? Would German Catholics in the early thirties have been morally bound to vote for Hitler's Nazis if that party had advocated strong opposition to abortion?

Frankly, I think your blog is a scandal, and I have mixed feelings about whether I should ask if it's been passed by your bishop. I know that its snarky tone reflects that of many liberal blogs, religious and secular. Its contemptuous attitude matches the prevalent level of discourse on the web. I think it's slam of Vatican II as an "attention-grabber" is beyond low (where, after all, do we have the clearest, most authoritative teaching that abortion is an "abominable crime"?).

As a Catholic layman, I think it is important that I try to "show Christ" in all that I do. I am not always successful. But I think that as a priest you have a higher obligation than I to do so, since, much more than I, you are the face of the Church to an unbelieving world. I therefore ask you very sincerely whether you honestly think that this blog shows Christ to the world.

If you wish you may email me privately at richard.allen65@comcast.net

Hirav Gandhi said...

I could not disagree more with Rick Allen. Under the Bush Administration, we had a partial-birth abortion ban, the likes of which are opposed by Democrats like Obama. You are right that we would not be able to back the Nazis if their only positive moral position was to be pro-life. But, what grave injustice has McCain advocated that even compares to the extremely liberal policies that Obama has regarding abortion? Or the fact that he is rated 100% by NARAL? That too, the liberal justices that are left in the Supreme Court are set to retire. A conservative president would replace such justices with judges that would be more sympathetic with our cause. Instead, electing Obama will definitely not be the "change" that Catholics want. When he desires to pass the Freedom of Choice Act and sees Roe v. Wade as perfectly great law, there is a problem. I approve of father's blog. We need more clarity in a sea of relativism. Of course, I could be wrong. If I am, please find the policy that McCain advocates that would counter approving of the genocide of over one million children a year.

rick allen said...

Hirav, thank you for responding to me.

If I thought, indeed, that voting Republican would save a million children's lives in a year, I would of course do so. But we all know that doing so the last thirty years has not had that effect, and I doubt that this year would be any different.

If we want to focus on the deaths of innocent children we can find plenty of that in the war zones of the middle east. I don't want to argue geopolitics here, only to point out the obvious, that many, many lives will be in the hands of the next president. If I think that one will be in a better position to bring about a cessation of hostilities, that won't make me call the other candidate a "baby killer," or assert that Catholics who vote for him are somehow "apostate" for abandoning the non-negotiable teaching about the sanctity of life.

There is no "party of virtue" or "party of vice." As St. Augustine observed, in this life the two cities are intermingled. The effects of original sin remain present in both Republicans and Democrats.

Fr. Erik Richtsteig said...

Being out of the country for a couple of weeks, I hadn't noticed the new comments.

The current administration has done a good deal about abortion. We have two more non-activist judges on the Supreme Court and many more in the federal courts (and would have still more if it hadn't been for Biden and his ilk). The Mexico City policy has been reinstated. All these things Obama has sworn to undo as soon as possible. Add to this Obama's pro-sodomy stance.
Abortion doesn't trump everything, but it certainly counts more than adding to the welfare state. And even if you are opposed to the war or Capital Punishment, neither of which is mandated by authoritative Church teaching, the lives cost are minuscule compared to the slaughter that is abortion. You are deluding yourself. I stand by my opinion.

There may not be a party of virtue or of vice. However, the Democratic party platform is a scandal and an offense against the Gospel.

As to whether or not my blog is a scandal, perhaps it is to you and that really doesn't bother me. Yes I am contemptuous of those who water down the Faith and try to pass off socialism as Christianity. And please remember that Our Lord was at times sarcastic and condemnatory.

Also, I am not condemning the Second Vatican Council but that false "Spirit of Vatican II" that has done so much damage subverting the actual teaching of the Council.

If you wish a response in private contact me in private.

rick allen said...

Who is trying to pass off socialism as Christiantiy or water down the faith?

The faith is embodied in neither the Democratic nor the Repubican platforms. I have no problem with your judgment that you cannot vote for Democrats. I do have a problem with your declaring them "apostates," to whom, of course the sacraments are denied. I certainly hope that Catholic Democrats have someplace else to go.

There is also this matter of glorifying guns and violence. The Terminator is not exactly an icon of the culture of life. If you want to know where the Europeans picked up "gangsta culture," look around you.

But, enough. Ave, atque vale.

Ottaviani said...

You maybe interested to know that the "Ad Dominum" blog and the "Roving Medievalist" blog both had/have Obama for president links.