3. That does not appear to be a sacred place for the Sacred Liturgy.
4. Is that a loaf of bread on the "altar"? It's hard to tell.
5. What part of the Mass is this? Either the priest or the congregation ought to be standing -- unless he's delivering his sermon sitting down, in which case pity the poor listeners!
The picture is too small and dark otherwise to determine what else is wrong.
On the plus side: 1. No scantily-clad liturgical dancers!
2. No girl altar boys! In fact,
3. No women on the "altar"! (Before you slap me for that one, remember, I'm a woman...)
Oops, I got at least one wrong. There *are* girls in the "congegation"; I just couldn't tell the difference in the little picture.
Other errata/observations:
1. The bishop is vested wrongly, period.
2. The man to his left is reportedly a priest -- who also should be vested (or else not concelebrating).
3. What I thought at first was a loaf of bread turned out to be a candle. My mistake!
4. The chalice looks like pottery, a material not suitable for holding the Precious Blood of Jesus.
5. I also didn't realize from the small picture that the picture on the wall behind this group is (a) so near to them and (b) in such a position as to seem to replace the crucifix. (And yes, there does seem to be a crucifix on the "altar".
6. I suspect that this shot was taken shortly after the Gospel had been finished, and the bishop is delivering some thoughts on it.
Is this still happening? I attended a coffee table mass in 1980 at school. Afterwards the priest asked for comments. With all the straightforwardness of the young we told him it wasn't a mass.
Clark is just one pathetic looser. Doesn't he know who he is. If he doesn't want to serve the Church he was ordained for, than he should pack his bags and move on! I am a Priest, but don't dare post my name
That little oval coffee table is ridiculous. It expresses perfectly the diminished, overly "horizontal" interpretation of priestly ministry that reigned in the '80s. It certainly doesn't say: this priest has come to a sacred place to offer worship to almighty God.
And just imagine how silly the bishop would look if he did stand up in front of it and offer Mass. It would be like the Stonehenge scene in the "Spinal Tap" movie.
How much trouble would it be to bring in a folding table and cover it? As a recent FSSP video on the net shows, it's possible to create the illusion of a quite traditional altar with simple materials.
The well-endowed woman on the Bishop's right is not wearing a mantilla. For that matter, neither is the younger woman on the opposite side.
There isn't a mitre to be seen. That goes ditto with a crosier and an episcopal ring.
There isn't any incense.
While there isn't an audio file to accompany this, I'm sure the dialogue reserved to the bishop (Benedictus...Adiutorium, etc.) was not done prior to the Final Blessing.
Finally - there is WAY too much argyle going on here, but not a hint of lace. Even a stitch of Slabbinck would have worked here!
Looking at the "congregation", I wonder, is this what they meant by "full, concious, and active participation"? Well, gee it looks great. I'm glad we utterly destroyed the Mass, so that we could have this.
I live in Rochester, NY where Bishop Clark holds his episcopal seat. His excellency does many things like this in our diocese. The setting of the "Mass" is at St. John Fisher College, one of the two "Catholic" colleges in the area. It surprises me though that his secretary is absent. Instead of a priest for his secretary as is the norm he has chosen a very liberal nun to accompany him to the many "Masses" he says throughout the diocese. She usually puts on an alb and stands and sits next to him in the sanctuary, and she enjoys bossing the priests around when the bishop is not looking. There are too many transgressions to write about here but know that the liturgical abuses in this picture are the least of the Church's worries in Rochester, NY.
Oh My! Would this be the Traditional Latin Mass on the V2 "slippery slope?" Ohh! How far the pendulum swings. Surely this Mass is not valid?? Would you take part in such a Mass? I would have left the room.
Kind People do not count the abuses you see here the Church is being raped and defiled by many priests let us not attack our own but pray the more. Only hope this bishop has a disablity and or is incoherent. May God have mercy on him.
The mass is not at St. John Fisher College but rather at the University of Rochester, where I am a graduate student. His Excellency is celebrating "mass" in the Susan B. Anthony lounge, a regular practice called the 10pm "Insta-Mass." The gentleman to his left is Fr. Brian Cool, chaplain of the U of R Newman Center. He chastized me for kneeling (and I don't just mean communion---I mean during the consecration) and allowed a habit-less nun preach the homily on Ash Wednesday, among other abuses. He basically never wears a collar, so you wouldn't know he is a priest.
In short, most of the diocese has apostasized and has become more like the Unitarians. Fortunately, there are a handful of *solid* and orthodox priests who do the Latin mass and reverent N.O. mass. Much more sad, however, is that *two* different sede-vacantist groups have masses in town as a (wrong) reaction to the uncountable heresies that have become so commonplace in a diocese that you used to boast the largest diocesesan seminary in the United States.
For all the commenters who thought the picture was small, all you have to do is click on it, and it will become HUGE! Then you can really see the idiocy behind this "gathering." I can't bring myself to call it a Mass. Poor Jesus, having to suffer through all this.
Father, the photo could describe any of the private masses celebrated at homes that I've attended before! I never noticed the potential abuses, but it doesn't look right now..
Is there a guideline on how to prepare a home for celebrating mass respectfully?
How old is this bishop? I hope he is 74 3/4 because that seems the only way to be rid of these dissenting 'shepherds'. He has much , much to answer for!
He makes a mockery of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and thumbs his nose at the norms required to offer a licit Mass. He does what he wants in his pride and in the following of his own agenda.
I don't know if it is coincidental or not, but the link to that photo at the original website is no longer working.
Bottom line is if there is nothing wrong with what is going on, then there should be no problem with making them public. If they have indeed been taken down, what does that say?
Oops!
In all seriousness, lets offer prayers of reparation for this, and similar situations that happen behind closed doors and never make it to light.
However let all those who minister such most holy ministries, consider within themselves— most of all those who minister indiscreetly— how vile are the chalices, corporals, and altar linens, where the Body and Blood of the Lord is sacrificed.
And by many in vile places He is abandoned, borne about in a wretched manner and received unworthily and ministered to others indiscreetly.
Ah, the couches... I went to confession at the local Mission run by the Franciscans and was surprised to enter the "confessional" (actually a large furnished room), only to find the priest sitting in a big, comfy chair. He then indicated to me where I was to go: to the adjacent big, comfy couch. Ah... such a relaxing confession, although I was a bit disappointed there was no shoulder massage available. Looks like the bishop likes comfy couches too.
Shame on ALL of you for not noticing the beautiful lavender scented candles from Yankee Candle on the "altar". And let's be realistic; the "altar" is clearly a table borrowed from a local Kindergarten classroom.
This is not what the Council Fathers had in mind! This is appalling! I wonder if the Holy Father really knows what kind of liturgical abuses have and do go on. I thank God for the return of the Tridentine Rite and the Anglican Use liturgy!
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Father I ran out of fingers AND toes
-Vir Speluncae Orthodoxae
It would be easier to count the things in this picture that are right!
I can only concur with the previous commenters.
Are they in an airport terminal, or a convention center? Sad, just plain sad.
There is ONE liturgical abuse in that photo:
Clark's ordination
The hits keep coming.
What in the WORLD!???????
Notice how the "congregation" looks bored to death, like they're sitting at the doctor's office waiting to be called in.
They don't exactly look like they're participating in the source and summit of our faith.
1. He's wearing his stole in the wrong place.
2. The "congregation" is in the wrong place.
3. That does not appear to be a sacred place for the Sacred Liturgy.
4. Is that a loaf of bread on the "altar"? It's hard to tell.
5. What part of the Mass is this? Either the priest or the congregation ought to be standing -- unless he's delivering his sermon sitting down, in which case pity the poor listeners!
The picture is too small and dark otherwise to determine what else is wrong.
On the plus side:
1. No scantily-clad liturgical dancers!
2. No girl altar boys! In fact,
3. No women on the "altar"! (Before you slap me for that one, remember, I'm a woman...)
Oops, I got at least one wrong. There *are* girls in the "congegation"; I just couldn't tell the difference in the little picture.
Other errata/observations:
1. The bishop is vested wrongly, period.
2. The man to his left is reportedly a priest -- who also should be vested (or else not concelebrating).
3. What I thought at first was a loaf of bread turned out to be a candle. My mistake!
4. The chalice looks like pottery, a material not suitable for holding the Precious Blood of Jesus.
5. I also didn't realize from the small picture that the picture on the wall behind this group is (a) so near to them and (b) in such a position as to seem to replace the crucifix. (And yes, there does seem to be a crucifix on the "altar".
6. I suspect that this shot was taken shortly after the Gospel had been finished, and the bishop is delivering some thoughts on it.
That looks more like a talk show set than it does Mass.
BMP
...and a boring talk show at that.
On the plus side, it seems that they are all facing the same direction--I don't think that this was the priest's intent though ;-)
Is this still happening? I attended a coffee table mass in 1980 at school. Afterwards the priest asked for comments. With all the straightforwardness of the young we told him it wasn't a mass.
An episode of "Life on the Rock"?
I agree with guy, it does look like an airport. Is that a picture of Susan B Anthony in the cabinet? I can't tell.
Dear Cathy of Alex,
At Rich Leonardi's blog, the location has been ascertained as a university dorm lounge in Rochester.
http://richleonardi.blogspot.com/2007/04/play-spot-liturgical-abuse.html
Is it just more or do some of the people in this photo look downright uncomfortable?
Clark is just one pathetic looser. Doesn't he know who he is. If he doesn't want to serve the Church he was ordained for, than he should pack his bags and move on! I am a Priest, but don't dare post my name
I'm speechless. Or maybe I just misunderstood the "Spirit of Vatican II."
Lord, have mercy.
That little oval coffee table is ridiculous. It expresses perfectly the diminished, overly "horizontal" interpretation of priestly ministry that reigned in the '80s. It certainly doesn't say: this priest has come to a sacred place to offer worship to almighty God.
And just imagine how silly the bishop would look if he did stand up in front of it and offer Mass. It would be like the Stonehenge scene in the "Spinal Tap" movie.
How much trouble would it be to bring in a folding table and cover it? As a recent FSSP video on the net shows, it's possible to create the illusion of a quite traditional altar with simple materials.
too many to count
Hmm, let's see.
The well-endowed woman on the Bishop's right is not wearing a mantilla. For that matter, neither is the younger woman on the opposite side.
There isn't a mitre to be seen. That goes ditto with a crosier and an episcopal ring.
There isn't any incense.
While there isn't an audio file to accompany this, I'm sure the dialogue reserved to the bishop (Benedictus...Adiutorium, etc.) was not done prior to the Final Blessing.
Finally - there is WAY too much argyle going on here, but not a hint of lace. Even a stitch of Slabbinck would have worked here!
Here's the saddest thing I think I have ever had to say: Sadly, one would hope that this "mass" turned out to be invalid.
Looking at the "congregation", I wonder, is this what they meant by "full, concious, and active participation"? Well, gee it looks great. I'm glad we utterly destroyed the Mass, so that we could have this.
Locus iste a Deo factus est:
inaestimabile sacramentum;
irreprehensibilis est...
?
I live in Rochester, NY where Bishop Clark holds his episcopal seat. His excellency does many things like this in our diocese. The setting of the "Mass" is at St. John Fisher College, one of the two "Catholic" colleges in the area. It surprises me though that his secretary is absent. Instead of a priest for his secretary as is the norm he has chosen a very liberal nun to accompany him to the many "Masses" he says throughout the diocese. She usually puts on an alb and stands and sits next to him in the sanctuary, and she enjoys bossing the priests around when the bishop is not looking. There are too many transgressions to write about here but know that the liturgical abuses in this picture are the least of the Church's worries in Rochester, NY.
At least he is not a Jesuit!
The argyle sweater is SO last season!
Oh My! Would this be the Traditional Latin Mass on the V2 "slippery slope?" Ohh! How far the pendulum swings. Surely this Mass is not valid?? Would you take part in such a Mass? I would have left the room.
A love seat for a cathedra.
Whose image is that on the reredos?
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The "church" looks like the set of Oprah.
Kind People do not count the abuses you see here the Church is being raped and defiled by many priests let us not attack our own but pray the more. Only hope this bishop has a disablity and or is incoherent. May God have mercy on him.
The mass is not at St. John Fisher College but rather at the University of Rochester, where I am a graduate student. His Excellency is celebrating "mass" in the Susan B. Anthony lounge, a regular practice called the 10pm "Insta-Mass." The gentleman to his left is Fr. Brian Cool, chaplain of the U of R Newman Center. He chastized me for kneeling (and I don't just mean communion---I mean during the consecration) and allowed a habit-less nun preach the homily on Ash Wednesday, among other abuses. He basically never wears a collar, so you wouldn't know he is a priest.
In short, most of the diocese has apostasized and has become more like the Unitarians. Fortunately, there are a handful of *solid* and orthodox priests who do the Latin mass and reverent N.O. mass. Much more sad, however, is that *two* different sede-vacantist groups have masses in town as a (wrong) reaction to the uncountable heresies that have become so commonplace in a diocese that you used to boast the largest diocesesan seminary in the United States.
Sancta Maria Virginis, ora pro nobis!
For all the commenters who thought the picture was small, all you have to do is click on it, and it will become HUGE! Then you can really see the idiocy behind this "gathering." I can't bring myself to call it a Mass. Poor Jesus, having to suffer through all this.
Father, the photo could describe any of the private masses celebrated at homes that I've attended before! I never noticed the potential abuses, but it doesn't look right now..
Is there a guideline on how to prepare a home for celebrating mass respectfully?
How old is this bishop? I hope he is 74 3/4 because that seems the only way to be rid of these dissenting 'shepherds'. He has much , much to answer for!
He makes a mockery of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and thumbs his nose at the norms required to offer a licit Mass. He does what he wants in his pride and in the following of his own agenda.
Lord, have mercy!
I don't know if it is coincidental or not, but the link to that photo at the original website is no longer working.
Bottom line is if there is nothing wrong with what is going on, then there should be no problem with making them public. If they have indeed been taken down, what does that say?
Oops!
In all seriousness, lets offer prayers of reparation for this, and similar situations that happen behind closed doors and never make it to light.
However let all those who minister such most holy ministries, consider within themselves— most of all those who minister indiscreetly— how vile are the chalices, corporals, and altar linens, where the Body and Blood of the Lord is sacrificed.
And by many in vile places He is abandoned, borne about in a wretched manner and received unworthily and ministered to others indiscreetly.
From St. Francis of Assisi
www.franciscan-archive.org/patriarcha/opera/letters.html
Ah, the couches... I went to confession at the local Mission run by the Franciscans and was surprised to enter the "confessional" (actually a large furnished room), only to find the priest sitting in a big, comfy chair. He then indicated to me where I was to go: to the adjacent big, comfy couch. Ah... such a relaxing confession, although I was a bit disappointed there was no shoulder massage available. Looks like the bishop likes comfy couches too.
Shame on ALL of you for not noticing the beautiful lavender scented candles from Yankee Candle on the "altar". And let's be realistic; the "altar" is clearly a table borrowed from a local Kindergarten classroom.
This is not what the Council Fathers had in mind! This is appalling! I wonder if the Holy Father really knows what kind of liturgical abuses have and do go on. I thank God for the return of the Tridentine Rite and the Anglican Use liturgy!
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